5 questions with Adam and Joel director, Theodore Collatos at the half-way mark.
Monday, July 24th, 2017
1Hi Theodore! Thanks for being a part of our festival. First, you have to explain how this film happened? Was this film planned or did you just grab a camera and document two dudes getting deep? Feel free to call me Teddy!
At the time, Joel and I worked at a bar that was open till 5am every night and Adam was a regular buddy. We were having a good time chatting after work but had no where to go, so we headed back to my place to hang out.
The whole thing was very much unplanned and they didn't know each other before the shoot. As the conversation got more interesting I rung up another actor friend in the neighborhood who was borrowing my camera and I ran over, got it and started shooting.
There was no agenda other then exploring topics between to vastly different characters. I actually consider the film more of a play then a film and used it for inspiration for scenes in my latest film Tormenting the Hen which is at festivals now.
2These guys are both obviously drunk and talking about sex, religion and the problems with world. I guess when I've had those conversations at 6 in the morning it feels very profound but no one ever records it so you don't really know if it was or not. What was your reaction after seeing this footage with sober eyes? They weren't as drunk as you'd imagine.
The 6 in the morning aspect is a bit misleading, as we ended our shift at 5. I used the title card as a bit of comic relief as the conversation was getting intense. On top of that Adam had a bit of a stutter at the time which makes it seem like he's drunker then he was.
That being said, we were definitely buzzed, maybe in the middle of a double header so to speak, but seeing the footage the next day was just reliving the night. It lives and breaths with truth to me. Personal reflections, ego, intellect, fun, conflict and a pouring of emotions.
It's pure, which I rarely see.
When I've screened it at festivals it always causes debate and actual fighting between audience members and I love that. What's so unique to me about these guys is they both have the courage to allow space to change. People giving people space to change is something so counter intuitive to the way the human brain works and to me is the mark of someone who thinks deeply. You have to make that choice in life to go into the ring and make yourself comfortable, while receiving jabs to the noggin, trusting you're not being judged.
No matter what time of day.
3Why do you think so many people are unable to have talks like this unless they're hammered and it's 2 in the morning? People share when they feel free to share. Most don't ever feel free. There's always a cost when you speak directly and the cost is risking judgement. What I admire about these two, so much, is they have the courage to speak honesty while being from such different backgrounds and not bringing judgement into the equation.
But to get technical with regards to your premise, when you share a beer or coffee with someone you are aligning your chemistries together one sip at a time. You may not relate to the person at first but you're experiencing the same physical feeling and thus more open to connect on a human level.
Like sharing love or sharing hate it becomes an emotional and chemical bond.
4This film looks like it was shot in the late 90's or early 2000's. What are your thoughts on seeing this short after so much time has passed? Has your perspective on this film changed over time and if so, how? We shot the film in the sweet spot after the September 11th attacks and before Facebook around 2003. It looks a bit older due to my lack of access to the latest HD technology... A beat up broken down old PD-100A.
My thoughts on it are much of the same to be honest. People were waking up to the world at large in a different way and the messaging, propaganda was overwhelming. Constant drum beat of war from all sides with little access to information beyond the news. At 'totally' different time lol.
It's less to me about what they discuss (although incredibly interesting), it's more about the tenure and respect of the debate. In the bar 'scene' at the time, people spoke boldly about every subject and without much censor at all.
One thread through my work I try and uphold, is people talking the way I hear them in my life. So rare. It's uncomfortable, illuminating and gritty. Most people's lives are emotionally gritty and a far cry from their social personas. And if one does share truth they're a downer. I think Facebook made cowards of us all.
What I respect most with these two guys is that you witness catharsis. You see change of opinion, in the moment.
5What's next? Tormenting the Hen is playing festivals now, working on distro for that. We're also in the early stages of post production on a documentary we shot in Brazil and chipping away on ideas, scripts, a pilot developed with Matt Shaw... All with fingers crossed 'cause that PD-100A ain't gonna cut it no longer!
About the Interviewer: Ben Hicks
Ben Hicks is a writer/director and co-founder of Fandependent Films. Ben is currently working on making Fandependent Films awesome and is finishing up his first feature film entitled Kids Go Free to Fun Fun Time which was selected for the 2017 IFP Narrative Lab.
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